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General => Turbo Tuning => Topic started by: Candy4M3 on August 17, 2013, 08:47:01 AM
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Hey guys, I have the 60lb injectors, the blow thru, and base turbo map. I have an aeromotive 340lph with aeromotive FPR. From my understanding, our idle fuel pressure should be around 3.5 bar (51psi) with no vacuum. My car is incredibly lean at this point. In order to keep my a/f ratio's normal up to 10psi, i have to keep my fuel pressure at 4.5 bar (67psi) with no vacuum at idle. So at 10psi of boost my fuel pressure is close to 80psi. I know these readings are not where they should be. Any thoughts? It is a 95 m3 with S50.
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What version of the software are you running, Go to Help, About and the version number will be listed in the pop up. Also, are you using Windows XP and the proper JAVA version?
One more question, are you using "english" as your computers language? The only time we've seen a 0 problem is when the computer uses a comma (,) instead of a period (.) for decimal places. Eg 34,5 instead of 34.5 That makes it trip up.
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Our fuel pressure issue has been solved, it was a hardware issue ::) thank you. Our new issue now is hitting 15psi during WOT, the car starts backfiring and popping (similar to rev limiter). Everything is fine at WOT up to 10psi. The tune hasn't been modified. So far all i did was replace the spark plugs in case one was misfiring under the increased pressure but problem persists. Yes everything is English.
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What is your spark plug gap? It should be between .023" and .025"
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.025 but is the spark plug gap, i did a boost leak test today and found a few small leaks pre-maf and a leak post maf, going to try some WOT pulls in high gear tomorrow so i can watch a/f a little better and will post results.
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I thank you very much for the work you are doing to find possible issues with your hardware and not 100% blaming the product. Too many customers do not know how to troubleshoot their cars or simply think they can't make a mistake.
Again, thanks for documenting your findings here, it will be a big help if more people like you take the time to tell us the small issues they find with their projects that can lead to fixing the problems! :)
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Thanks for the kind words, I'll try to help around as much as I can. It turned out my air intake temp sensor was giving a false reading, thus forcing me to run such high pressure just to get the car moving right. I'll follow up my findings in the morning.
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Update: All boost/air leaks have been addressed, faulty air intake temp sensor replaced, removed fuel filter to check for flow restriction. Although my idle a/f ratios have improved with the fixes, I'm still going lean under load. It isn't minor either, high gear at pedal in WOT position, im getting 15's-16's a/f. I didnt feel comfortable to boost. Here's a video of it. If you pause in the beginning you can get a good look at the gauges for reference (i dont know why my video got stretched out). Top left gauge is Wideband, Top right is Boost, Bottom right is Fuel Pressure. If i increase line pressure from regulator to a minimum 60psi at idle, everything is normal under load.
View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/2lsfw5x/5)
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Update: All boost/air leaks have been addressed, faulty air intake temp sensor replaced, removed fuel filter to check for flow restriction. Although my idle a/f ratios have improved with the fixes, I'm still going lean under load. It isn't minor either, high gear at pedal in WOT position, im getting 15's-16's a/f. I didnt feel comfortable to boost. Here's a video of it. If you pause in the beginning you can get a good look at the gauges for reference (i dont know why my video got stretched out). Top left gauge is Wideband, Top right is Boost, Bottom right is Fuel Pressure. If i increase line pressure from regulator to a minimum 60psi at idle, everything is normal under load.
View My Video ([url]http://tinypic.com/r/2lsfw5x/5[/url])
How many RPM does it stay lean for? Does it come back to normal after that lean spike?
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its lean all the way through. only rich spike i get is when i let off the throttle. its almost as if the injectors need to be putting out a bit more than they are maby increase pulse width?, it seems the only remedy is to increase the line pressure to compensate for the injectors.
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I kept going up in RPM with normal line pressure only one time, thinking it was just a lean spike in the mapping...long belond the turbine housing got so hot it started melting my M-Power cover onto my exhaust manifold creating a world of smoke under the hood. I haven't dared to do it again. The car didn't like it at all. I am currently driving the car with the increased line pressure and its wonderful.
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Very strange. We've never used after-market fuel pressure regulators. An after market pump usually increases the fuel pressure too. Make sure there isn't a big voltage drop to the pump. Usually, the base tunes are on the rich side and people have to lean out the car. Did you get your 60# injectors from us? In the past, customers thought they had 60# injectors but really had 55# and that caused a problem.
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Yep, i have the whole kit from miller. The tune, 60# injectors, blow thru maf. If there was a big enough voltage drop i would imagine it wouldn't be able to supply the 75psi+ to keep the line full with fuel. I'll double check tomorrow. I'll even stick in a thick gauge power wire for the pump even though i didn't think it would need it yet. I'll post my findings when i get a chance to check sometime this week.
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The other possibility is that your system just flows VERY well. If that is the case, all you have to do is add fuel globally, or in the maps that you need the extra fuel.
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Hmm i haven't thought of that. Messing with maps isn't my strong suit haha ;D. Is there a short way i can increase the fuel globally? Or do i have to increase each point individually? If so, can you give me a general number to increase my fuel numbers by? It would take me forever to try increasing all of them little by little, then write to chip and test. Especially with no dyno :/
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roughly 10 values equates to 1 full air fuel ratio. Example, if your values were 130 and you were 13:1 but wanted to be at 12:1 you would add 10 making your value 140.
In the upper right of our software, you will see a box with the number 1 in there. You can type whatever value there, and up and down buttons beside that will nudge the selected map value(s) by that amount per click.
If you are running 15:1 in boost, find out at what RPM you start making boost and going lean, and add 35 values to the numbers from that RPM and up. In terms of load, add start at said RPM and go from the fourth or fifth column to the end.
You won't hurt it if you add lots of fuel and then work to take it away.
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Fantastic, that sounds easier than i thought! I'll get to it as soon as i can. Thanks!!! ;D
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Found the answer! the base map i was usuing was for some reason making the car run like crap but i wrote a new map and it fired right up! just getting the clutch broken in now then off to the tuner!
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Found the answer! the base map i was usuing was for some reason making the car run like crap but i wrote a new map and it fired right up! just getting the clutch broken in now then off to the tuner!
By new map, do you mean you just reloaded the proper base tune? When starting off with a new setup, we always recommend running the same tune in all positions to ensure you do not accidentally use a tune made for some other application.